DG: I just had the hardest experience, with everybody everywhere along the line, except the people in the film. SS: I had the hardest experience from day one of shooting with people questioning me, the actors didn't like me (now we are friends), but they didn't like the tension on the set. Fighting for money the whole way, distribution, all the deals. I literally went over every single line in every deal. DG: For me, in making the film, doing the research was fun. I like that, learning something that was totally different. But then when the money started coming in it started to be such an unbelievable nightmare... It destroyed me. SS: You mean people who worked with you? DG: No, the executive producers. SS: Oh, no, my people were great. Money was not a problem with us because we were not greedy. DG: No, it wasn't about money, they were, they were just downright sexist. They were coming to me and saying, "Will you please hire a man." I said, "We have a full staff here, I don't want to hire a man." I hired who I thought was right. They called me everyday. They called me everyday and I said, "If you call me one more time, I'm going to file discrimination charges." SS: You should, you should do what I do, just keep blabbing and blabbing and say whatever is on your mind. You'd get so much publicity. You should make a movie about that. DG: Who cares? I'm not interested in making a movie about making movies. SS: That's true, I would never, ever do that. Somebody sent me a script about a guy who wants to make a movie. I said, "What the fuck do I want to make a movie about myself for?" It is like making my autobiography. DG: Yeah, I already know what my life is like. SS: Exactly, it is miserable. I don't want to make a movie about that. You'll do good, you are a woman. I think there is such a need for women directors. DG: They don't give you anything. SS: Betty Thomas gets every script. She's great though, I like her. There are only a handful, I think women need more representation. DG: It is too hard. SS: What is too hard? DG: It is too hard. I'm not really comfortable talking about it because I never before in my life would have used that as a reason or excuse for anything, but it is not easy. SS: But the minute you say it is too hard, they've won. DG: Yeah, you know why, because I am older than you. That is a big difference. SS: That doesn't make a difference. DG: Yeah, it does. SS: I don't know, whatever I do I never lose. DG: No, don't get me wrong, I got this film made and I got it made basically intact, and I took on two big corporations and a record company and I basically got what I wanted. No, when I say it is too hard, I just need to some time to rejuvenate. Right now I'm just a little.... SS: Cynical? DG: Yeah. SS: I feel that way sometimes. DG: It's so difficult to edit a film with someone coming in every three days and carrying on about something. And I was editing on film. SS: I edited my film too, [Steenbeck] 16. DG: I like editing on a Steenbeck.